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 Post subject: Re: Bloke with bandit 1200
PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 1:43 am 
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Ok, use that link, click 7/11 on the left hand side then search Lee's articles, you will find it there with part numbers, model numbers etc

Useable stack height is around 48-50mm, and air gap for lock up should be 0.125" or near as dammit. If you do the coil spring you probably wont need a lock up yet, as a set of h/d springs should hold a genuine 180BHP at the wheel.

Just as an aside... i used a complete barnett on mine. From box to dead in 25 miles!!! That was with a mere 120 ponies!!!
Most of the bits you need should be available from breakers though they are getting pricey now. Also as an aside, when refitting it all, remove your alternator, this makes it easier to engage the oil pump/alternator gear behind the clutch without breaking it :D

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 9:05 am 
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 9:25 pm 
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complete GSXR1100 clutch fitted i used my 2x Barnett springs +1 GSXR spring too for good measure.

yet to test.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 3:43 pm 
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Tested.

goes like FOOK!

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 9:49 am 
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suzook12 wrote:
Noswizard wrote:
ALL plates suffer warpage (especially new ones) and that's the main reason for using a used set and why there's so much benefit, because you're removing the warpage and putting more plate area in contact with the friction material.
You ONLY remove whatever is required to make the plates PERFECTLY flat and once this is done they are LESS likely to suffer further warpage, even though they are thinner.


Trev, normally you'd be right... But in the bandits case the issue is generally much worse. What happens with these when they get hot is the ends of the basket spreads out. These clutches barely stand the stock motor, breathe on em and they collapse, usually sooner rather than later. The surface area of the plates is significantly smaller than the GSXR and even these get stressed when breathed on, least the diaphragm ones do.

Neil, basically you have 3 options,
1 stick with stock but put a lockup on it. If ya go down this road, check condition of the basket first. If you want to drag it, lose a spring and add weights to the arms till it holds, if ya dont want to drag it, leave the springs, add weight as necessary to arms. You may find just the arms alone are enough.... then again you may not.
2 Fit the clutch from a gsxr11 k/l/m/n. These are still diaphragm, but you have the benefit of much greater surface area. Not too sure if any spacers needed to accomodate shaft length or not. The other benefit being a steel basket which will not distort as the feeble bandit one does.
3Fit the basket from a k/l/m/n, then fit the centre from a g/h/j. Using this mod, you will need a spacer and a ball bearing (10mm) and the pressure plate/pusher/springs etc all from the g/h/j.

I will post a link up for ya with all the details ya need. I have done this conversion several times and never regretted it. The only real cure for a bandit clutch :D For drag racing this is by far the best setup as it is far more tuneable than the others, tho if ya only gonna street it then option 2 is equally as good, just they tend to be grabby and hard to launch on the strip.

Once the clutch is sorted then the oil issue is also done away with. Personally, i use and recomend silkolene pro4 fully synthetic for these motors, the engine protection is superb. Doesnt matter how long ya stand bike up for, everytime ive removed cam covers, everything has been sticky with oil!!

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FYI Steve (and anyone else). the clutch fits straight on no need for spacers, but you will need a 50mm socket for the spring clamping nut, THEN you'll need to machine down a 30mm socket to hold the clutch on the original shaft. a std. socket doesn't fit inside the 50mm nut. (it'll make sense to the next chap who does this mod.) get an air gun too. makes life very easy.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 10:17 am 
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Cheers for the info. I did wonder if it was a straight swap, but Ive never dont THAT conversion, always done the coil spring one which does need a spacer etc. Worth knowing tho :yes:

That should keep ya occupied for a while anyway, and if that one ever starts to let go then its just a matter of lockup on top. Like i said, the clutch you have will be fine for road use, but anyone wanting to run the strip the coil spring is a much better choice as its far more tunable :)

Guess you'll never ever need a new front tyre now eh? Lol..... Cant remember what ecu you're using, seem to recall dyna 2000?, anyway, for anyone with a stock ecu, the bandit lends itself to larger hits of gas by utilising the wheelie wires for retard :yes:

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neiljewell wrote:
Tested.

goes like FOOK!

bigger jets please Trev!

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Hello Trev.

what's the next step as regards jetting? i'm currently on 60/200,(dammit i can't actually remember - but i'm using both the bigger jets that you sent me.) i'd like to get to a 50bhp shot as i think that should be entertaining enough for a while.

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neiljewell wrote:
Hello Trev.

what's the next step as regards jetting? i'm currently on 60/200,(dammit i can't actually remember - but i'm using both the bigger jets that you sent me.) i'd like to get to a 50bhp shot as i think that should be entertaining enough for a while.

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What was the static test results like and have you checked the plugs after a run?

I'll also need to know the exact jet sizes you're using.

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Ok I've run out of gas. More coming this week, i'll return with facts later in week.

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fuel 200
gas 60.

more to follow...

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how long should a 5lb bottle last, roughly? i.e. how many 10 seconds passes up strip before all gone?

or i have a 60 N2O jet and 800psi in bottle, how long until it's empty?

i'm thinking its running out pretty bloomin' quickly but i have no benchmark.

also do i need a yellow WON sticker on the bottle to conform to any law etc.

(i may need a bigger bottle.)

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neiljewell wrote:
You can step up to 90 & 300 but you'll need to flow test the fuel to make sure you see a 50% increase in flow, over your current jet.

how long should a 5lb bottle last, roughly? i.e. how many 10 seconds passes up strip before all gone?

or i have a 60 N2O jet and 800psi in bottle, how long until it's empty?

i'm thinking its running out pretty bloomin' quickly but i have no benchmark.
The basic formula to calculate all the above is 5lbs per 100 HP per minute.

also do i need a yellow WON sticker on the bottle to conform to any law etc.
No but it would be wise to have one.

(i may need a bigger bottle.)
Everyone does - EXCEPT Brett!!!! :omgrofl:

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was about to order jets on line but the link to the jet sizes doesn't work...

i'll call in morning if i remember.

thanks Trev

edit: the link to the jet sizes doesn't work... order placed....

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Noswizard wrote:
:? :?

sorry for confusion.

on this page ....

http://www.noswizard.com/index.php/nitr ... l-396.html

this link Click here for a list of available jets doesn't work.

but i didn't need that link anyway so placed my order with no problem...

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i have the same problem.....cant see the jets info.


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OK I'm with you now and will have that fault in the web shop sorted ASAP.

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arrived and installed this morning!

just need more gas....again....

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:omgrofl: Get yourself A BIG UN!!!!! :yes:

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Noswizard wrote:
:omgrofl: Get yourself A BIG UN!!!!! :yes:


i think an 88lb bottle would be detrimental to the bike's performance...

unless i lash it down to the tank and the seat and sit astride it myself...that might work :rofl:

seriously, i know a chap who knows a bloke and there is a big bottle on the horizon. You do all the stuff for filling don't you? i.e. big bottle adapter to 5mm nylon.

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seriously, i know a chap who knows a bloke and there is a big bottle on the horizon. You do all the stuff for filling don't you? i.e. big bottle adapter to 5mm nylon.

Yes we do.

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Noswizard wrote:
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seriously, i know a chap who knows a bloke and there is a big bottle on the horizon. You do all the stuff for filling don't you? i.e. big bottle adapter to 5mm nylon.

Yes we do.


Just bought one meself :D Though for now will be using mine more for nitrogen boosting :yes:

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neiljewell wrote:
Tested.

goes like FOOK!

bigger jets please Trev!



bigger jets installed... i must say this nitrous game seems to be one problem after another.....

1. fit system = slipping clutch
2. fit bigger clutch
3. fit bigger jets = slipping tyres!!!!

I FOOKING LOVE IT :lol:

in hindsight activating the system whilst overtaking a lorry in the rain wasn't the most sensible test but i can't wait around for dry roads. Brilliant.

thanks Trevor.

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