NITROUS OXIDE ( nos / n2o ) advice forum

I'm well known for pointing out the deficiencies of US products and as a consequence I'm unfairly labelled as being ANTI-American, which is UNTRUE!!!

To prove that my negative comments are justifiable, I've decided to list the US components that I judge to be a good design and/or quality.

I'm going to start it off with Wilson manifolds.
Their latest distribution block is both a superb design (and one I'd been considering myself) and excellent quality, as are their plates and manifolds.

Speedtech's plate is a very neat design (and one I'd designed myself before they did) and of good quality but based on information from an American nitrous expert who has tested a number of plates, it doesn't flow as much as it should and therefore under performs compared to lesser designs.
In general Speedtech products whilst only being designed with basic functionality in mind, are of good quality.

NX has tried its best to copy my Pulsoid design and even think they've improved on it but the truth is that they haven't even done a very good job of the copy never mind improved on it BUT it is still a much better design and quality than the generic solenoids that they and every other company sells.
In general NX products whilst only being designed with basic functionality in mind, are of good quality.

Although Nano pressure boosting is an overly complex method of solving a very simple problem, their products (apart from the generic solenoids they use) are of good quality.

I'll add to this list as I think of further products and when I've completed that I'll detail the products which are the worst on the market.

Thanks Trevor can you also post documantation on testing you have done and what systesm you have tested . I looked at some of the videos on youtube and they look cool so video comparison would be way better .

What about tests on my Ny trex system ?

We video'd the majority of the testing we've done but I used a Sony camera with a disc which recorded in a format that I wasn't able to edit or reproduce for use on anything but another DVD at the time, so I was unable to post them on my site.

I've since bought a suitable editing program but finding time to go through all the video work we did and edit it all down to small enough clips to use on the site is proving to be very difficult. However, I do intend to do that and post as many as possible as soon as possible, although that could be much later in the year and even run in to next year, as I have so many other jobs to do that are even more important.

With regards to the Ny-Trex testing, as I mention above we try to video all our test work but that hasn't always been possible (due to flat batteries or lack of discs etc.), so I can't say at this time if we have the Ny-Trex tests in particular on video but I hope that would be the case, as it would be a good addition to the contest results that we had with them.

It is not always necessary to test a product to determine if its a good design or not, as in the case of the Wilson distribution block, because common sense and experience can often be enough to see that such a design will do the job better than any existing product.

Another US component that we've tested and can confirm is a good design is the latest Zex nozzle but keep in mind that any nozzle that delivers a conical shaped plume is ONLY suitable for DP applications.
The latest TNT nozzle is also better than any other US nozzle for SINGLE POINT applications, as they've tried to replicate what we've achieved with the Crossfire (although again only manages to get close rather than equal to or better) and deliver a wider discharge plume than other nozzles.

More to follow as I think of them.

Trev i always kind of like the shower head Dist blocks do ya think they any good

Yes the shower heads designed by Brock Davidson and now used by the likes of NX & others, are another good component from the US but they do have their limitations and specific requirements to get optimum results from them, just as our D-Blocks do.

In some respects the shower head design is better than our D-Block design but in others ours is superior to the shower head design.

It would be a hard call to decide which distribution block is the OVERALL best design between;
1) Our D-Block
2) The Davidson Shower head
3) The Wilson block

However, what I can say for CERTAIN, is that ALL the rest are GARBAGE, ESPECIALLY the inline type which combine fuel and nitrous in one unit in such a way that the fuel feed enters from one end and the nitrous from the other.

By selling such a TERRIBLE product the companies that do, show their TOTAL IGNORANCE of any nitrous related knowledge.

Ooops sorry, I was intending to save the SHIT components till last and I've probably got a few more good US products to list yet
BUT it just makes me blow a fuse when I think about such ignorant people selling such garbage to unsuspecting customers.

any updates ?

Now business is virtually back to normal after the Xmas break, my time is being taken up dealing with everyday customers requirements, so I haven't had any time to give this any more thought yet.

I can't say when I'll get more time to post on this subject again (even though there won't be that many more components that could be added to the good list), but if you have something in particular that you like me to give you my UNBIASED (contrary to popular opinion) judgement on, I'd do my best to do so.

i was looking at some of the fastest cars in the world using nitrous and i couldnt help to ntice that not one had a WON system , can you please explain why ?

If you check this forum or Trev's book you'll find a 7second ford cosworth escort that was the fastest of it's type.probably still is. There are numerous types of vehicle on this forum that are at the top of their field,i guess you have just focussed on drag racing?

Also checkout the "why don't more racers use won?" thread.viewtopic.php?f=14&t=4091

How about viewtopic.php?f=14&t=3941

An american land speed record. using a Brit bike and WON

And not forgetting the TOTB winner, Olly (or is it Oily?) Clark with his rapid scooby.

As my customers have stated above, we have NUMEROUS customers who have set and/or currently hold world and/or European records for their specific classes.

The link to the thread relating to "why more racers don't use won" gives most of the reasons to answer your question but there are a few more points to make;

1) One of my top customers (who has been forced to stop racing for the past 18 months due to personal problems), previously ran in the most competitive class of Pro Mod in the USA. At a time when the record time was 4.05 ish secs. he ran a 4.14 sec run with a number of none nitrous problems that prevented him from getting the best from his car.
Anyone who claims that isn't a HUGE achievement, doesn't understand what's involved in managing such an achievement on a very tight budget.

2) Whilst you point out that you haven't seen any top racers using WON systems, you might also like to look for top cars using MOST other brands and consider the following FACTS;
a) ONLY 3 major companies have nitrous systems on Pro Mod cars, Speedtech, Fulton & NOS.
b) This means that NONE of the following companies have ANY Pro Mod cars using their kits never mind any TOP cars - Zex, Cold Fusion, TNT, Ny-Trex, DynoTune, etc. etc. not even the mighty NX
c) This means that the VAST MAJORITY of US nitrous companies can't even sell their products to that market sector ON THEIR OWN TURF.
d) ALL the companies in the US are MUCH LARGER than my company, with MUCH BIGGER budgets than mine has.
e) Whilst ALL those companies can't even get ONE Pro Mod car to run their products (even when they offer them FREE), I've SOLD systems to THREE Pro Mod cars.
f) With all the above in mind (along with the numerous reasons given for why more racers don't use my systems), in my opinion it's a hell of an achievement that ANY Pro Mod car based in the US is using one of my systems.

3) Now I mentioned THREE Pro Mod cars have bought my systems and one of them only fitted it towards the end of last year, managing to get just 3 test runs on a less than perfect track. However, the racer was SO IMPRESSED with the results that he's made a serious commitment to switch fully from his current 3 stage Speedtech kits to my single progressive system.

This thread deals with the Pro Mod racer mentioned above;
viewtopic.php?f=14&t=3976

Hi

The ONLY ...US product I would ever recommend is my Billet ally twin bottle bracket and base plate system...

It is excellent engineering and quality , but I must admit its not cheap....around £200 to £250 ish...

It will NOT fit WON bottles either only 7 inch 10 or 15 lb bottles...

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All the best Brett

Come on fellas. The stickers that come with the US kits are way nicer!!

Brett,

Yes I agree those brackets are very nice but I didn't mention them on 2 counts;
1) They're not from a main stream nitrous company
2) They don't contribute to the performance of the nitrous system


Adrian,

Haven't you seen our latest 'rainbow' stickers?!?!?!?!

From an Australian and one that's used American nitrous gear I'd say your opinion MUST be considered INDEPENDENT.

i hold world record i think for most Gas used on an stock xjr on same pistons

But seriously i looked at this on bikes ect now on outside braided lines , USA bottles lots of other bits , but ya get inside and ya be suppriesed just how many run WON pulsiods as if ya remove all the bulshit and some of the shit against trev its widley respected they are the best on market todate

Another point ask any won customer or racer if they carry a spare progressive controler or pulsoid or even a rebuild kit and i bet they look as you as if ya stupid ,. ya just dont need them they dont carry burst disc or even replace them with rounds of coke can as they have an SPRV , dont need a nitrous filter as the won Pulsiods have it instaled , lol i call it cotton wool , but it really is a very advance filter ect

then ask a racer of a USA kit just how many spares they have , a if ya run a Snitzs controler a spare is almost a neccesaty :-(

If you look hard there a lot of won componantes in use and more and more are making the full switch over

Tezz

ALL VERY TRUE Tezz.