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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 12:03 am 
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not as much as I would. just waiting on a chap 10 miles from me that possibly does re-fills. then I'll get a bottle. we do loads of gas welding at work so am looking at the feasability of a 88lb bottle, we already have contracts with BOC etc. by the sounds of it and the scareness of NOS i could do a roaring trade on saturday mornings! should be getting some more bits arrive this week!

shopping list is TPS switch, bottle, gauge, some pipe, some fittings. then i'm done.


Hi :)

BOC have a very nasty habit of saying NO to Nitrous for automotive use....worth a try but I wouldnt hold out much hope... :(

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BOC forget it, I also went down that route.
Here's your best option for large bottle rentals:
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been looking at Pingel fuel taps...they are expensive!! would the standand bandit one be OK on reserve? or is there another make of tap similar to pingel for 10th of the price? i've heard that Harley davidson 3/8" taps fit the bottom plate on bandits is this a viable option? do i actually, really need a tap for upto 75hp?
what i really need is a bottle, but if i get a tap then can't afford bottle :tard:


How much does an engine cost in comparison? In my own experiences after owning some 15-20 oil cooled suzukis, they barely cope with a stock motor on stage 3 carbs!! So supporting 200BHP+ aint happening!! Theres also the slight issue that these are vacuum taps, something under hard running with nitrous there probably aint gonna be a lot of.
If ya dont like the price of pingels, and theres plenty 2nd hand ones on the bay normally, then make one, it aint hard. Your local hydraulic shop can supply barrel taps at fuel standard for under a fiver, just need to make a base plate for it.
After all the effort you've put in to the bike dont skimp on possibly THE most important factor.... FUEL!!! Even a 50 shot will make a big old mess of that engine if ya run dry on the gogo juice :(
This is the one area you dont want to be marginal, if you're looking at a single outlet tap then you want 2.5-3litres flow/min so the tap can keep up with both carbs and nitrous easily..... And dont forget a high flow filter if ya make yr own and measure available output from here

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we also have a food and dairy technology department at Reaseheath so i've just been over to convince the dairy bloke that he needs to start making tonnes of whipped cream and that a 88lb bottle of Nitrous oxide is just the ticket.
my mistake it's not BOC its AirProducts we deal with and guess what... they said no to nitrous oxide for motor vehicle project demonstrations and testing, hence the dairy angle. (it's worth a try at least)

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2011 4:48 pm 
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neiljewell wrote:
been looking at Pingel fuel taps...they are expensive!! would the standand bandit one be OK on reserve? or is there another make of tap similar to pingel for 10th of the price? i've heard that Harley davidson 3/8" taps fit the bottom plate on bandits is this a viable option? do i actually, really need a tap for upto 75hp?
what i really need is a bottle, but if i get a tap then can't afford bottle :tard:


How much does an engine cost in comparison? In my own experiences after owning some 15-20 oil cooled suzukis, they barely cope with a stock motor on stage 3 carbs!! So supporting 200BHP+ aint happening!! Theres also the slight issue that these are vacuum taps, something under hard running with nitrous there probably aint gonna be a lot of.
If ya dont like the price of pingels, and theres plenty 2nd hand ones on the bay normally, then make one, it aint hard. Your local hydraulic shop can supply barrel taps at fuel standard for under a fiver, just need to make a base plate for it.
After all the effort you've put in to the bike dont skimp on possibly THE most important factor.... FUEL!!! Even a 50 shot will make a big old mess of that engine if ya run dry on the gogo juice :(
This is the one area you dont want to be marginal, if you're looking at a single outlet tap then you want 2.5-3litres flow/min so the tap can keep up with both carbs and nitrous easily..... And dont forget a high flow filter if ya make yr own and measure available output from here

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cheers Steve,

you've convinced me i'll see what i can make

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barrel tap???

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i'll check flow rates....

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just purchased a 5lb bottle ! i'll make it fit somehow! (it's ok its a WON bottle and has a new valve fitted)

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just purchased a 5lb bottle ! i'll make it fit somehow! (it's ok its a WON bottle and has a new valve fitted)

Or strap it to your back :omgrofl:

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RIGHT!!!!

nearly there now...

just a quick question... if i use the tee piece to break into the original fuel line then run a 4mm nylon to the fuel pulsoid is this not quite restrictive?


hang on... the fuel line is jetted after the pulsoid, that's the restriction you dumb arse hence no need for 8mm hose to the fuel pulsoid.

I think i just answered my own question didn't I?

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BOC forget it, I also went down that route.
Here's your best option for large bottle rentals:
http://www.nitrousoxidesupplies.co.uk/


contacted these guys as suggested and they put me in contact with two of their trade customers both within spitting distance and one of them PSI tuning is a WON stockist!!! (i'm off to buy a lottery ticket)

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Neil we've been trying to call you to determine what size inlet fittings you need in the Pulsoids??

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hello trev. 4mm inlets on both please. also what size jets will i need?

are inlets easy to change, just in case i find a twin outlet fuel tap soon? or can you supply the 8mm barb inlet separately?

PM'd you my home numbers, i'm in all night, you may have been trying at work?

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hello trev. 4mm inlets on both please.
For gravity fed fuel you'd be better to have as large as possible barb for the fuel Pulsoid inlet.

also what size jets will i need?
I'll sort those for you.

are inlets easy to change, just in case i find a twin outlet fuel tap soon?
Yes they are but what does the tap type have to do with the Pulsoid inlet?

or can you supply the 8mm barb inlet separately?
I can supply an 8mm barb fitted to the Pulsoid now (at no extra charge) or seperately afterwards at additional cost.

PM'd you my home numbers, i'm in all night, you may have been trying at work?
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hello trev. 4mm inlets on both please.
For gravity fed fuel you'd be better to have as large as possible barb for the fuel Pulsoid inlet.
ok 4mm for the nitrous and 8mm barb for fuel


also what size jets will i need?
I'll sort those for you.
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are inlets easy to change, just in case i find a twin outlet fuel tap soon?
Yes they are but what does the tap type have to do with the Pulsoid inlet?
i was thinking if i get a twin outlet tap then i'd need a barb on the fuel pulsoid or if i get a single outlet, i'd use your Fuel Tee and have 4mm pipe. but you are now going to tell me just to put a barb in the tee aren't you :)

or can you supply the 8mm barb inlet separately?
I can supply an 8mm barb fitted to the Pulsoid now (at no extra charge) or seperately afterwards at additional cost.
now please

PM'd you my home numbers, i'm in all night, you may have been trying at work?
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thinking of bottle mounting positions.... this looks best but most likely isn't. See where that standard exhaust is? that will modify brilliantly to make a bottle holder also if i can keep the tail pipe it may just look like twin exhausts (if you squint and it's foggy and you have a cataract)

is this a feasible bottle position?
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i was thinking if i get a twin outlet tap then i'd need a barb on the fuel pulsoid or if i get a single outlet, i'd use your Fuel Tee and have 4mm pipe. but you are now going to tell me just to put a barb in the tee aren't you :)
Yes we can supply a T which is suitable with a barbed feed to the Pulsoid.

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ok that'll be good. i'm still up if you want to ring, i have a few more things to add to the order...

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SORRY STOP THE PRESS!!!

can you make that a 5mm inlet on the nitrous? i've just had this info off the seller in relation to the bottle valve "it's a WON fitting,for 5mm nylon, so 1/4bsp to m10x1" that means more to you than me.

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all the peices of the jigsaw are now with me! ...... i can see some late nights in the garage over the next few days......

many thanks to Trev and Ant for their fantasitc support on getting me the bits and i'm sure they'll be hearing from me again soon during testing etc.

and to BMW840.... many thanks too!

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brackets for pulsoids - made
finish pumbing venoms - done
wire in electrics - done
find place for bottle - work in progress...

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SORRY STOP THE PRESS!!!

can you make that a 5mm inlet on the nitrous? i've just had this info off the seller in relation to the bottle valve "it's a WON fitting,for 5mm nylon, so 1/4bsp to m10x1" that means more to you than me.

thanks,

Happy to be of assistance and you're very lucky that Ant spotted that, as I hadn't seen it when I instructed him to send them with a 4mm inlet.

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all wired in and working! for future reference...anyone doing a bandit and using the WON TPS switch it's the BLUE wire you solder the white one to.

just need to mount the bottle and i'm away!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Question for Trev. how does mounting the bottle across the bike up behind the numberplate sound??? just a thought that i wanted to run past you... sort of between the indicators if that makes and sense.

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